[Curt]

Everytime I sub for curiosity of content here it always disappoints me. I guess it is the shoutbox that the subscription fee is really for, and for $7 a month I can't really complain. What sucks though is where the money from subs here are going to, and how staff are compensated.

[JesusSpork]

TBN's is better than both.

wat

[PiP69]

I do agree that some money from each sub should go to coders. and the user of a sub should be able to pick which coder gets it. (this is how another forum works, but wont say names). That way coders will want to release there bots.

Ultimately it comes down to Chewy though. Even though Doom has permission chewy decides how the money from subs is used.

Also, this thread should probably be closed. I feel there will be a lot of flaming.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by JesusSpork

TBN's is better than both.

wat

Stop thread crapping on my thread.

Originally Posted by PiP69

I do agree that some money from each sub should go to coders. and the user of a sub should be able to pick which coder gets it. (this is how another forum works, but wont say names). That way coders will want to release there bots.

Ultimately it comes down to Chewy though. Even though Doom has permission chewy decides how the money from subs is used.

Also, this thread should probably be closed. I feel there will be a lot of flaming.

If this forum wasn't filled with so many 10-year olds...this thread might not be closed, but I also feel the end is near.

~Rage~

[Southernx]

Originally Posted by JesusSpork

TBN's is better than both.

wat

RSCB's is better than both.

wat

[[B]]

I'm not saying this because im a mod there but I've made more $$ with TC subs bots than CN subs bots but that isnt the point. I have been a sub at CN for awhile too. This was when there were bots left and right for promos and exploits. Ya it was good but it was also cheaper too. I havent bought a sub here since the price increase. I also havent bought because I havent been told there are any money making bots or exploits in subs.

Would CN get more subs if the prices went down? YES
Would CN get more subs if the owner sent out the 360 to a certain person? BIG YES.

The more people who buy CN subs, the more they will look for something to bot or exploit to keep it in subs. Then a coder makes a bot to generate even more subs.


My .02.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by [b]

I'm not saying this because im a mod there but I've made more $$ with TC subs bots than CN subs bots but that isnt the point. I have been a sub at CN for awhile too. This was when there were bots left and right for promos and exploits. Ya it was good but it was also cheaper too. I havent bought a sub here since the price increase. I also havent bought because I havent been told there are any money making bots or exploits in subs.

Would CN get more subs if the prices went down? YES
Would CN get more subs if the owner sent out the 360 to a certain person? BIG YES.

The more people who buy CN subs, the more they will look for something to bot or exploit to keep it in subs. Then a coder makes a bot to generate even more subs.


My .02.

Good 2 cents.

This is really also meant to be a thread to get Chewy some ideas to help out CN.

~Rage~

[Sullivan]

No, wait. Rage, I read what you posted. And You made some good points.

But I have to say, from personal experience, the first time I bought a sub here, I was disappointed.
The first time I bought a sub at TC, it was great. It had lots of up to date bots.

CN, JUST RECENTLY had some good bots. But nothing really. The bots over at TC were actually more then just some sample ordered.

kicktd brought a lot to CN, and I mean a lot. He's one of the more legit and higher coders that I look up to. Bomb, as well, hes great. Slash is another, along with rubber. But those are the only true ones I really know and look to.

I can't say CN's subs are better then TC's. and vise versa too!

[kicktd]

Honestly I can't make bots for sites I don't know about so I really look for everyone to give me a heads up on sites. Then they pretty much get prioritized by me usually on a basis of how much demand and how much you can get back in return, the more that both have the quicker it'll be made and released etc.

So yeah if ya'll come across something ya'll want botted, hell PM me if you don't want to tell everyone just yet and I'll look into it. I depend on ya'll just as much as ya'll depend on me .

[[B]]

Originally Posted by noname27

i was gonna sub but chewy is not even here and wont come on so i decided to go sub to TC
your right there is nothing there

But you have a sub for life so if something good comes you will have first dibs.


If it wasnt for kick, CN's bot section and sub section would be dead. Keep it up.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by kicktd

Honestly I can't make bots for sites I don't know about so I really look for everyone to give me a heads up on sites. Then they pretty much get prioritized by me usually on a basis of how much demand and how much you can get back in return, the more that both have the quicker it'll be made and released etc.

So yeah if ya'll come across something ya'll want botted, hell PM me if you don't want to tell everyone just yet and I'll look into it. I depend on ya'll just as much as ya'll depend on me .

You say "ya'll" a lot, are you from the south? I live in Georgia.

Originally Posted by [b]

But you have a sub for life so if something good comes you will have first dibs.


If it wasnt for kick, CN's bot section and sub section would be dead. Keep it up.

First dibs along with over 9000 other subs.

And, I agree if kicktd hadn't come along...CN bots would still be dead.

~Rage~

[sc4fpse]

Originally Posted by guitardude105

advirtising other sites =

BAN

nah jk TC is fucking gay there free chatbox if they ever sstil have it was fun b.c id go on with gibson and spam the fuck out of it making it lag balls but all the mods had a pinecone up there ass. although its not much different here. well not really since sc4f got like ip banned its a lil better but there are still a few

What the fuck? Are you mentally retarded or some shit?


TC only added monthly subs because a bunch of people were whining to SB about not having the $15 or whatever for a lifetime subscription. Before that, it was just lifetime subs.

With monthly subs like CN has, you can either a) play the guessing game as to what months have worthwhile subscriber content, or b) Hope you hear about the worthwhile exploits from a subscriber. Scenario b happens many times, which completely negates Sandbox's logic, that exploits here are less likely to be leaked. Perhaps, but the information is still going to spread, it's going to be announced to everyone that said exploit is here, and people will still gain access to the content one way or another. You're not exactly keeping anything under wraps in either site's subscription system. The only way you'd accomplish that is something akin to the CN Elite. Is TC's subscriber content immediately and legitimately accessible to more people at any given moment? Perhaps. Does that mean that content on CN won't leak/spread to that many people if not more within a few days of it's release? Not a chance.

But, yeah, again, it's a guessing game every month here for worthwhile content. With lifetime subs, you pay once, and you've got access to anything from there on out. For that reason, there's a little less BS going on with subscriptions. People do get tired of paying for subscriptions just for a chatbox, you know.

Plus, with monthly subscription fees like CN has, people tend to wonder where exactly their money is going. I'm willing to bet that CN pulls in more subscription dollars a month than TC does. Maybe Doom can show me some statistics that will make me eat my words, but it sure seems like Chewy pockets a lot of sub money, given that many people here do renew on a monthly basis for $7 or whatever it is. With TC, after seeing the recent stats for subscription purchases the other night, I can confirm that Seatbelt makes little if any money on subscriptions, especially right now. And he's actively putting the money that comes in from subscriptions to good use. For the past little while, TC's hosting company has graciously placed us on a dedicated server for no extra charge, but now we're paying for it, and it's been beneficial to the forum.


I'm by no means trying to convince CN to go to a lifetime subscription system, or anything of that sort. I'm just sharing my observations on the two systems.

I will say, however, that when Chewy offered to make me a moderator here, I was not planning on purchasing a subscription the next month. $7 a month for a chatbox on a forum that crashes daily just isn't worth it, IMO.

-sc4fpse/Константин

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by sc4fpse

$7 a month for a chatbox on a forum that crashes daily just isn't worth it, IMO.

Speaking of crashes, how long does backing up this forum take?

Doom or Chewy can answer me on this one.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by sc4fpse

What the fuck? Are you mentally retarded or some shit?


TC only added monthly subs because a bunch of people were whining to SB about not having the $15 or whatever for a lifetime subscription. Before that, it was just lifetime subs.

With monthly subs like CN has, you can either a) play the guessing game as to what months have worthwhile subscriber content, or b) Hope you hear about the worthwhile exploits from a subscriber. Scenario b happens many times, which completely negates Sandbox's logic, that exploits here are less likely to be leaked. Perhaps, but the information is still going to spread, it's going to be announced to everyone that said exploit is here, and people will still gain access to the content one way or another. You're not exactly keeping anything under wraps in either site's subscription system. The only way you'd accomplish that is something akin to the CN Elite. Is TC's subscriber content immediately and legitimately accessible to more people at any given moment? Perhaps. Does that mean that content on CN won't leak/spread to that many people if not more within a few days of it's release? Not a chance.

But, yeah, again, it's a guessing game every month here for worthwhile content. With lifetime subs, you pay once, and you've got access to anything from there on out. For that reason, there's a little less BS going on with subscriptions. People do get tired of paying for subscriptions just for a chatbox, you know.

Plus, with monthly subscription fees like CN has, people tend to wonder where exactly their money is going. I'm willing to bet that CN pulls in more subscription dollars a month than TC does. Maybe Doom can show me some statistics that will make me eat my words, but it sure seems like Chewy pockets a lot of sub money, given that many people here do renew on a monthly basis for $7 or whatever it is. With TC, after seeing the recent stats for subscription purchases the other night, I can confirm that Seatbelt makes little if any money on subscriptions, especially right now. And he's actively putting the money that comes in from subscriptions to good use. For the past little while, TC's hosting company has graciously placed us on a dedicated server for no extra charge, but now we're paying for it, and it's been beneficial to the forum.


I'm by no means trying to convince CN to go to a lifetime subscription system, or anything of that sort. I'm just sharing my observations on the two systems.

I will say, however, that when Chewy offered to make me a moderator here, I was not planning on purchasing a subscription the next month. $7 a month for a chatbox on a forum that crashes daily just isn't worth it, IMO.

-sc4fpse/Константин

I feel like an idiot...I never knew you were Константин from TC. --__--

But, I still have to disagree with you. I may not have statistics to prove anything, but I doubt that CNs sub-only content is leaked as fast as or faster than TCs.

SB99 probably is not making any money from the subs, which I can see...because he doesn't offer renewable subscriptions and his hosting is probably really costly. Chewy probably does pocket a lot of money from the subs, and it seems that it is his main form of income (Correct me if I am wrong) but he does keep the site up and it crashes less than in the past. If he were to implement Google Ads or more ads like TC, he probably would be able to drop the sub prices. The ads here change like every month and no one clicks on them because they know exactly where they are. If we were to get Ads EVERYWHERE like TC...I bet more revenue would come from there.

The $7 subscriptions are overpriced, as I posted before...but I don't at all think that Lifetime subscriptions are smart. Anybody can pay $10-$15 for the sub and leak anything worth leaking for as long as they want...and almost no one will know because it will all be done privately, and that cannot be moderated.



P.S. - OMFG, scaf posted in my threadz!! Epic

~Rage~

[ooobongooo]

I havent bought a sub for awhile.

There has been nothing here worth paying for a sub IMO.

Also its not worth it to pay for a sub to talk to a bunch of douche bag kids in a chat box either.

[kicktd]

Originally Posted by Rage

You say "ya'll" a lot, are you from the south? I live in Georgia.

Yes I am . I try to cut out using "ya'll" online especially on forums but it's a hard habit to cut out.

[sc4fpse]

Originally Posted by Rage

I feel like an idiot...I never knew you were Константин from TC. --__--

SB99 probably is not making any money from the subs, which I can see...because he doesn't offer renewable subscriptions and his hosting is probably really costly. Chewy probably does pocket a lot of money from the subs, and it seems that it is his main form of income (Correct me if I am wrong) but he does keep the site up and it crashes less than in the past. If he were to implement Google Ads or more ads like TC, he probably would be able to drop the sub prices. The ads here change like every month and no one clicks on them because they know exactly where they are. If we were to get Ads EVERYWHERE like TC...I bet more revenue would come from there.

If CN is Chewy's main form of income... well, that would be pretty bad. He hasn't been around at all lately. I mean, look how long it took him to give Doom the permissions needed to do anything with the board. He doesn't post, he isn't active. I understand people have things going on in their lives, but it's been like this for the longest time. He just up and deserted CN, while still receiving the profits of the forum. And I can all but guarantee you that there are profits. But, instead of having a reliable host, you guys are stuck on whatever server this thing is hosted on, and CN crashes a few times a week. That's one thing, but then when you factor in Chewy's response time (Read: Sometimes, days.), it gets a little out of hand, especially considering how much people are paying for subscriptions.

The $7 subscriptions are overpriced, as I posted before...but I don't at all think that Lifetime subscriptions are smart. Anybody can pay $10-$15 for the sub and leak anything worth leaking for as long as they want...and almost no one will know because it will all be done privately, and that cannot be moderated.

And it's any different here? There's always people who will leak stuff, whether they're paying every month or if they just paid once. Unless subs were something ridiculous, like $50/$100, you would always have leakers. Can you do anything about it? With bots, you can try to use an auth system, but those have been cracked again and again. With exploits, there's no protecting anything.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by sc4fpse

If CN is Chewy's main form of income... well, that would be pretty bad. He hasn't been around at all lately. I mean, look how long it took him to give Doom the permissions needed to do anything with the board. He doesn't post, he isn't active. I understand people have things going on in their lives, but it's been like this for the longest time. He just up and deserted CN, while still receiving the profits of the forum. And I can all but guarantee you that there are profits. But, instead of having a reliable host, you guys are stuck on whatever server this thing is hosted on, and CN crashes a few times a week. That's one thing, but then when you factor in Chewy's response time (Read: Sometimes, days.), it gets a little out of hand, especially considering how much people are paying for subscriptions.

And it's any different here? There's always people who will leak stuff, whether they're paying every month or if they just paid once. Unless subs were something ridiculous, like $50/$100, you would always have leakers. Can you do anything about it? With bots, you can try to use an auth system, but those have been cracked again and again. With exploits, there's no protecting anything.

I don't think Chewy understands that he needs to spend money to make money.

If he were to invest more of his time and a little of his money he would make MORE MONEY.

~Rage~

[Doom]

I'm out deep in the deserts of tatooine right now, but I'd like to say a quick few things because I won't be on for the next day or two...

The first thing chewy did when he bought CN was to remove lifetime subs. When the site lurches into the slow months, there won't just be 300 lifetime subs sitting around like on TC. If people need a bot in the sub section, they'll have to buy a sub which will eventually expire. Sure it's not the nicest, cheapest, or most convient thing for the subscribers, but it's just logical marketing ._. it atleast makes sure the server stays online even in the most desperate times.

I'm sorry that were not as cheap as TC, and I'll see what I can do to change that, but I really can't promise anything... Chewy owns the site and can do what he wants with his money, as wrong as it may be, we can't really control his actions. Chewy does make a decent number off this site, but I'm not going into the stats of this sites revenue, not publically at least...

As CN does have a decent revnue, so does TC. And from what I've talked to ice or sb regarding each others sites, they actually might be making more then us... ! I'll have to do the math to get the exact numbers one of these days.

Also scaf, cn's database has grown to the point that it the auto backup scripts actually time out... So that's been our recent issue regarding downtime. Otherwise we're up like 95% of the time, and I'll be sure were up pretty much 100% of the time since I can pretty much run CN without chewy now.

Posted from my iPhone on the new mobile skin ,

Thanks,

-Doom

[noname27]

Originally Posted by [b]

But you have a sub for life so if something good comes you will have first dibs.


If it wasnt for kick, CN's bot section and sub section would be dead. Keep it up.

well yeah
thanks i have something to be happy about now
lol

[Rage]

Originally Posted by Doom

I'm out deep in the deserts of tatooine right now, but I'd like to say a quick few things because I won't be on for the next day or two...

The first thing chewy did when he bought CN was to remove lifetime subs. When the site lurches into the slow months, there won't just be 300 lifetime subs sitting around like on TC. If people need a bot in the sub section, they'll have to buy a sub which will eventually expire. Sure it's not the nicest, cheapest, or most convient thing for the subscribers, but it's just logical marketing ._. it atleast makes sure the server stays online even in the most desperate times.

I'm sorry that were not as cheap as TC, and I'll see what I can do to change that, but I really can't promise anything... Chewy owns the site and can do what he wants with his money, as wrong as it may be, we can't really control his actions. Chewy does make a decent number off this site, but I'm not going into the stats of this sites revenue, not publically at least...

As CN does have a decent revnue, so does TC. And from what I've talked to ice or sb regarding each others sites, they actually might be making more then us... ! I'll have to do the math to get the exact numbers one of these days.

Also scaf, cn's database has grown to the point that it the auto backup scripts actually time out... So that's been our recent issue regarding downtime. Otherwise we're up like 95% of the time, and I'll be sure were up pretty much 100% of the time since I can pretty much run CN without chewy now.

Posted from my iPhone on the new mobile skin ,

Thanks,

-Doom

How much does it cost to keep CN online?

Like hosting fee?

~Rage~

[Shadowlink]

Originally Posted by Rage

How much does it cost to keep CN online?

Like hosting fee?

~Rage~

I don't think Doom is allowed to disclose that kind of information.

[Champin4]

this thread was a good read

[Doom]

I'm not going to give specific numbers, but it is >$100 a month ._.

We're pretty big, rolling up on 500,000 posts, and on peak traffic hours get between 300-400 users online.

-Doom

[Curt]

Originally Posted by Doom

I'm not going to give specific numbers, but it is >$100 a month ._.

We're pretty big, rolling up on 500,000 posts, and on peak traffic hours get between 300-400 users online.

-Doom

That's pretty vague to say it's over $100 a month. By looking at the average users online who are subscribers, I can guess that there are at least 300 users are subscribed at $7 a month, which is over $2000 and quite a nifty profit for site owner

Props to Chewy for keeping you staff so dedicated