Suggestions

wjr0025 · 08-12-2008, 10:09 PM

ok so I started to post this in moneymaster "scamming" situation, but I needed to make a new thread so

think of this for the point i'm trying to make

Let's say a guy comes into the forums, posts 100 times, and get a couple reputation points ( haha this sounds like me, but w.e) Just for sake of argument, let's say he has a pepsi points account for sale. Person gives them the money, they never give them the account. He gets called a scammer, gets banned. He still has that 120 dollars. Idk how well paypal disputes work, but I can't imagine it's a very high rate of getting money returned for a site like this.

Maybe this is just how it will always work on these forums and nothing can change, but i'm a very skeptical person. I can never pull the trigger on things I want here because i'm too conscious of that happening.

This is just how I think, the success rate of sell/trade is very high, so maybe nothing should be changed. Do you kind of see what i'm saying now or? I'm honestly not trying to bring down this place in any way cause it's awesome, so don't take me the wrong way here.

(Yes I just copied and pasted that from the other thread)

So does anyone have some kind of suggestion to make this process safer for everyone? I know we can't get on an Ebay level or anything obviously, but is there some kind of contract or something you can do? That sounds ridiculous to me even, but something like that.

This hasn't happened on the sell/trade market on a large scale, but it could. one more time, please don't take this as knocking this website, cause i love it to death. If you guys think it's fine the way it is, then it works. I've never bought anything on this website, but it's just something to bring up.

Maybe like a superthread on rules for selling and trading, as well as cash for referrals? Idk I just thought i'd get opinions from other people. It seems some people see what i'm saying, but maybe there's nothing really to do except trust other people

moneymaster · 08-12-2008, 10:11 PM

maybe get it approved by admin or any high ranking official

b/c my situation is not looking good and i hate to think that people are going to not trust me anymore

wjr0025 · 08-12-2008, 10:22 PM

yea, but even then there's a chance of the deal not being made. Idk, there may not be a solution.

rafaelzepe · 08-12-2008, 10:32 PM

there should be a middle man (admin) lets say youre selling a pepsi account the seller gives the admin the passord> and the admin changes it(so that the seller cant use it anymore)> once its confirmed that the account works the buyer pays> once seller receives payment the admin gives the password and username to the buyer
that makes sure that nobody gets scammed!
i personally think its a great idea

Zapple · 08-12-2008, 10:39 PM

Middle man would not work for physical items though. I haven't had any problems selling/buying/trading virtual/physical items on here before; you just have to be cautious of who you deal with. I've sold CL accounts, bought Zunes and traded things before all with no problems.

krackhead · 08-12-2008, 10:41 PM

I got a great idea! There should be a high ranking person like a cn mod or admin, who handle every transaction. To avoid scamming, the buyer must pay the high ranking person first! then that person tell the selller that he got the money and once he send out the stuff and the buyer get his stuff and is satified with the service the high ranking person then send the money to the seller!

Flip · 08-12-2008, 10:41 PM

Still, a middleman system wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

Guo0 · 08-12-2008, 10:43 PM

Middle Man is the only way. This is how virtual black markets work.

rafaelzepe · 08-12-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapple

Middle man would not work for physical items though. I haven't had any problems selling/buying/trading virtual/physical items on here before; you just have to be cautious of who you deal with. I've sold CL accounts, bought Zunes and traded things before all with no problems.

it can work for physical items.... lets say youre selling a zune..... buyer gives money to admin>admin confirms buyer payed>seller ships out item (using ups with tracking number)>once buyer notifies admin of succesfully receiving item admin gives money to seller..... viola!

dont.blink. · 08-12-2008, 10:50 PM

middle man will make 2x the paypal fees

wjr0025 · 08-12-2008, 10:50 PM

yea, a middle man system would be a step up from the system now, it definitely wouldn't hurt. For physical items it wouldn't work, so what i'm saying is there any way that through pm's and stuff you can make one big "contract" type deal that both electronically sign? Is that even possible? That'd only be trading goods for goods though, which doesn't happen a lot.

and to zapple, it definitely isn't a major problem here, but all i'm saying is that it could be. With a safer system people would be more willing to buy goods, that's something to consider. I know that includes me, there's plenty of things i've wanted but haven't pulled the trigger on. Then again, I am very skeptical

nelca · 08-12-2008, 11:06 PM

I think the key element to selling and trading is clarity. The more clear you are on your side on what you want and what the deal is, the less confusion.

wjr0025 · 08-12-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelca

I think the key element to selling and trading is clarity. The more clear you are on your side on what you want and what the deal is, the less confusion.

also very true, no denying that. But you can be 100 percent clear on a deal, and my example in my original post could still happen ya know.

I think a fair amount of people agree the middle man is a good idea. It could be completely optional for the seller to agree to, and the buyer to want etc. If they can't come to terms with whether the middle man should be used or not, it's not meant to be a deal. This would also be a great way for newer people to sell items and get them bought with confidence. So the next logical step is figuring out who should be middle men. And the point of paypal is true, it should be paid by the receiver of the money if that's possible. How much is paypal fees typically? I don't deal with it much other than buying on ebay, which I still don't do often.

Zapple · 08-13-2008, 12:03 AM

PayPal Fees - Click Here

TradePimp · 08-13-2008, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapple

Middle man would not work for physical items though. I haven't had any problems selling/buying/trading virtual/physical items on here before; you just have to be cautious of who you deal with. I've sold CL accounts, bought Zunes and traded things before all with no problems.

I dont think its need with physical items based on the fact that usually people pay when shipping and/or tracking info is received and by that point you know were the person lives not not so great if you decide to scam someone

armman · 08-13-2008, 01:10 PM

My two cents, you need to have faith and trust over the person you are going to trade with.

**Slashmolder** · 08-13-2008, 11:19 PM

Really we can't do much more. I guess CN could require valid contact information but someone could easily fake that. Paypal disputes actually works really well and paypal will almost always help you as a buyer.

aznbadboi · 08-13-2008, 11:26 PM

middleman wont work cuz none of the mod or high ranking official get paid (except for chewy) theyre always gonna be busy handling sales and not enough time to themselves and moderating the forum. wat if one of the middleman has to go on a surprise vacation for like a month while hes holding on to somebody's money? do you call him a scammer??? you gotta be smart in selling and buying. getting his contact info would help. call him make sure it's real. paypal dispute is pretty good. dont send any kind of payment that is not cancel able. be smart

08-12-2008, 10:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
wjr0025 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 302 Reputation: 56	making selling, trading, and cash for referrals safer ok so I started to post this in moneymaster "scamming" situation, but I needed to make a new thread so think of this for the point i'm trying to make Let's say a guy comes into the forums, posts 100 times, and get a couple reputation points ( haha this sounds like me, but w.e) Just for sake of argument, let's say he has a pepsi points account for sale. Person gives them the money, they never give them the account. He gets called a scammer, gets banned. He still has that 120 dollars. Idk how well paypal disputes work, but I can't imagine it's a very high rate of getting money returned for a site like this. Maybe this is just how it will always work on these forums and nothing can change, but i'm a very skeptical person. I can never pull the trigger on things I want here because i'm too conscious of that happening. This is just how I think, the success rate of sell/trade is very high, so maybe nothing should be changed. Do you kind of see what i'm saying now or? I'm honestly not trying to bring down this place in any way cause it's awesome, so don't take me the wrong way here. (Yes I just copied and pasted that from the other thread) So does anyone have some kind of suggestion to make this process safer for everyone? I know we can't get on an Ebay level or anything obviously, but is there some kind of contract or something you can do? That sounds ridiculous to me even, but something like that. This hasn't happened on the sell/trade market on a large scale, but it could. one more time, please don't take this as knocking this website, cause i love it to death. If you guys think it's fine the way it is, then it works. I've never bought anything on this website, but it's just something to bring up. Maybe like a superthread on rules for selling and trading, as well as cash for referrals? Idk I just thought i'd get opinions from other people. It seems some people see what i'm saying, but maybe there's nothing really to do except trust other people __________________ I hate you

08-12-2008, 10:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
wjr0025 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 302 Reputation: 56	yea, but even then there's a chance of the deal not being made. Idk, there may not be a solution. __________________ I hate you

08-12-2008, 10:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
krackhead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: is this heaven? Posts: 4,622 Reputation: 67	I got a great idea! There should be a high ranking person like a cn mod or admin, who handle every transaction. To avoid scamming, the buyer must pay the high ranking person first! then that person tell the selller that he got the money and once he send out the stuff and the buyer get his stuff and is satified with the service the high ranking person then send the money to the seller! __________________ Who says you can't trust a krackhead? Seller Feedback Buyer/Trader Feedback

08-12-2008, 10:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Flip Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 596 Reputation: 16	Still, a middleman system wouldn't be that bad of an idea. __________________

08-12-2008, 10:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Guo0 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 670 Reputation: 18	Middle Man is the only way. This is how virtual black markets work. __________________

08-12-2008, 10:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
moneymaster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,836 Reputation: 24	maybe get it approved by admin or any high ranking official b/c my situation is not looking good and i hate to think that people are going to not trust me anymore

08-12-2008, 10:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zapple Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 526 Reputation: 32	Middle man would not work for physical items though. I haven't had any problems selling/buying/trading virtual/physical items on here before; you just have to be cautious of who you deal with. I've sold CL accounts, bought Zunes and traded things before all with no problems.

08-12-2008, 10:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
dont.blink. Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 524 Reputation: 12	middle man will make 2x the paypal fees

08-12-2008, 10:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
wjr0025 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 302 Reputation: 56	yea, a middle man system would be a step up from the system now, it definitely wouldn't hurt. For physical items it wouldn't work, so what i'm saying is there any way that through pm's and stuff you can make one big "contract" type deal that both electronically sign? Is that even possible? That'd only be trading goods for goods though, which doesn't happen a lot. and to zapple, it definitely isn't a major problem here, but all i'm saying is that it could be. With a safer system people would be more willing to buy goods, that's something to consider. I know that includes me, there's plenty of things i've wanted but haven't pulled the trigger on. Then again, I am very skeptical __________________ I hate you

08-12-2008, 11:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
nelca Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 358 Reputation: 6	I think the key element to selling and trading is clarity. The more clear you are on your side on what you want and what the deal is, the less confusion.

08-13-2008, 12:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Zapple Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 526 Reputation: 32	PayPal Fees - Click Here

08-13-2008, 01:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
armman R E L E N T L E S S Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: ♥ In your heart ♥ Nature, we belong to it. It belongs to us. Posts: 2,835 Reputation: 85	My two cents, you need to have faith and trust over the person you are going to trade with. __________________ If you know what you are doing, then you aren't learning.

08-13-2008, 11:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
aznbadboi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 355 Reputation: 17	middleman wont work cuz none of the mod or high ranking official get paid (except for chewy) theyre always gonna be busy handling sales and not enough time to themselves and moderating the forum. wat if one of the middleman has to go on a surprise vacation for like a month while hes holding on to somebody's money? do you call him a scammer??? you gotta be smart in selling and buying. getting his contact info would help. call him make sure it's real. paypal dispute is pretty good. dont send any kind of payment that is not cancel able. be smart

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