[zero]

Originally Posted by John

it fell in 6.5 seconds on itself which is freefall speed


compare: YouTube - WTC7: The Whistle Blowing Video Clip You Should All See

to

actual building demolition: YouTube - Successful building implosion in Fort Worth

again, the world trade center where the two largest skyscrapers in the world. They are 110-storys high. wth are you showing me a regular 30-story and expect me to believe that they both will fall at the same speed...

common sense, there are a lot of morons trying to brain wash teens like us over youtube to try to make us believe the government is against us in everything. (when its only against us in MOST things.(this not being one of them))

[John]

Originally Posted by zero

again, the world trade center where the two largest skyscrapers in the world. They are 110-storys high. wth are you showing me a regular 30-story and expect me to believe that they both will fall at the same speed...

common sense, there are a lot of morons trying to brain wash teens like us over youtube to try to make us believe the government is against us in everything. (when its only against us in MOST things.(this not being one of them))

first off i am not brainwashed. I have watched/read many things regarding both sides and have formed an opinion based on that. Do you know what freefall speed is? You keep saying things like common sense and shit, but i don't understand how you could not say it was an inside job. Please actually learn about things and then talk to me

[dont.blink.]

john obviously you didn't research both sides

[zero]

Originally Posted by John

first off i am not brainwashed. I have watched/read many things regarding both sides and have formed an opinion based on that. Do you know what freefall speed is? You keep saying things like common sense and shit, but i don't understand how you could not say it was an inside job. Please actually learn about things and then talk to me

ok ok, let me tell you.


youre comparing the speed of fall of this:






with an average speed of this:




also, no idiot is ever going to admit in getting brain washed unless somebody really sits down and tells him that he had been brainwashed. I use to be brainwashed about Y2K. Every idiot was saying that the world is going to end soon because it said so all over youtube. Some idiots even suisided because of that. I for all choose not to believe random shit posted on youtube and just stick with my OWN oppinions without somebody trying to talk some shit into me and make me think its true.

Now, im not saying your an idiot for believing some random vids on youtube, all im saying is that you should STOP believing everything you see on the shiny little screen.

If you want to blame something, you should blame the media for filling our brains full of shit.

[Jason]

don't blame bush for the attacks, blame Clinton.

[John]

it doesnt matter what building is falling. I am just showing oyu what freefall speed looks like. They were exactly the same thing.

[bumbleskull]

Originally Posted by John

YouTube - Loose Change- rebuttal if thats what you mean then he only rebuttals one part of it and it ewas that islamics cant wear gold and they can...not really a major issue


ALSO:

some1 please explain building 7???

YouTube - 9/11 Truth: What Happened to Building 7

when the twin towers collapsed the force of their impact caused most of the water lines going to building 7 to rupture, disabling the sprinkler system. The force of the impact + flying burning debris caused fires to start in Building 7. Once the fire department successfully evacuated the building, they let it burn as the WTC towers were more important as they were looking for survivors. When a building burns for 6 or 7 hours, no matter how well it was built, it will most likely be damaged beyond repair or collapse. Add in the fact that much of the fireproofing of the beams was most likely destroyed from both the fire and the force generated by the WTC towers collapsing, eventually the building will be weakened to the point of collapse.

Basically if you have steel columns heated by a burning building + burning diesel fuel (there were cars and trucks beneath the building along with a diesel storage tank for backup generators) the columns will begin to weaken, and when many of them become softer and more malleable as the fire gets hotter and continues to burn, the weight of the building will bring itself down. I can't explain how it fell in 7 seconds but then again the fact that it collapsed downward on itself may have to do simply with the way it was built (as it was a completely vertical structure with the majority of its support beams on the outside...)

And based on the evidence that fire has never destroyed a skyscraper, well I don't believe a skyscraper has ever been hit will enough debris to rip a 10 story gash in the side of its building + have fires burn on 20-30 of its floors and in its basement for 6 or 7 hours before either to judge the effects of such occurences


Also freefall speeds would be about 5.7 - 5.8 seconds for collapse meaning that was around 12% slower than free fall


Lastly I am just going to throw this out there since you believe in this, you probably believe in the Magic Bullet theory for JFK right....

[John]

if you watched the video of building 7 falling you can nowhere see fires. Thats what they say happened. Also if it even got THAT damaged fro fires, it would NOT fall in 6 seconds

[zero]

Originally Posted by John

if you watched the video of building 7 falling you can nowhere see fires. Thats what they say happened. Also if it even got THAT damaged fro fires, it would NOT fall in 6 seconds

OK! !


who cares. lets stay on topic about the government instead of talking how fast a building falls.

[bumbleskull]

read: Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

and popular mechanics is not biased especially as compared to the links you provided

also there is more info on the previous pages about Tower 1 and 2 also...

[John]

i will read that tomorrow but for now i got english research paper due

[dont.blink.]

yea that is the site I was talking about

[The Hitman]

Honestly I really don't care anymore if it was an inside job or not. I've seen so many proof that says it was and I've seen proof that shows it wasn't but really it has been over 5 years since it happened. People died and it was sad that's it I could care less about the rest.

[gamemansnow]

Originally Posted by John

its not a conspiracy its truth

oh for the love of chirst not this bullshit again

[wjr0025]

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics


To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

Please, for the sake of me, read this. Every SINGLE myth about 9/11 is debunked by people who actually know what they are talking about. John, you tell us to become educated, but if you would actually read into things you'd realize you're the one who doesn't have his facts straight. That clearly puts to rest every single bullshit theory out there, and even the ones that have a tiny bit of "legitimacy". If you call that crap, you're wrong. That's 70 independent professionals proving everything wrong. Please take time to read this before you spread propaganda and believe shit that isn't based on pure facts. Just because there are true facts in your claims, they are and have been proven false, period.

edit: I meant to say this was already posted, just throwing in my two cents about it.

[Derkel]

Yes, I don't
xD

[gamemansnow]

Originally Posted by wjr0025

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics


To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

Please, for the sake of me, read this. Every SINGLE myth about 9/11 is debunked by people who actually know what they are talking about. John, you tell us to become educated, but if you would actually read into things you'd realize you're the one who doesn't have his facts straight. That clearly puts to rest every single bullshit theory out there, and even the ones that have a tiny bit of "legitimacy". If you call that crap, you're wrong. That's 70 independent professionals proving everything wrong. Please take time to read this before you spread propaganda and believe shit that isn't based on pure facts. Just because there are true facts in your claims, they are and have been proven false, period.

edit: I meant to say this was already posted, just throwing in my two cents about it.

gracias

[7usabball]

it depends who's in it. Running it. The opinions. Etc. I trust them for the most part

[shadow1768]

Loose Change is garbage, I raised perfectly good questions and posed arguments to their crap, and guess what I get, the ban hammer. Makes you wonder if they are really out there to discover the so called truth. They've admitted to mistakes on their half assed documentry and they fixed it by making a part 2, and yet again, they fail again so they have to make a part 3. I thought documentaries were suppose to well researched.

Go watch the History Channels Documentry on 9/11 conspiracies, shitted all over loose change.

In all seriousness, if it was a conspiracy those numb nuts would have been killed before they breathed a word of it. I hope they burn in hell.

My personal belief is that they are in this for the money.

[shmo70]

No, I dont believe 9/11 was an inside Job or a conspiracy. Watch these vids -> YouTube - History Channel - 9/11 Myths Part 1 , where History Channel disproves the conspiracy theories with Evidence and Fact.

[assault14]

who dose? the goverment is after u!!

You look out your window and.. the government is after us arm your selfs to make ur self seem safe but ur not!

[User Name]

I love brain dead idiots. Yes I trust the government. If you are not happy with the way the country is run I hear France is looking for people.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by assault14

who dose? the goverment is after u!!

You look out your window and.. the government is after us arm your selfs to make ur self seem safe but ur not!

I can see you did not use the government funded education very well.

[assault14]

they brain was u in there!!

[BetaFish]

Are you guys for real? Is this a Joke? Let me tell you something, I trust the U.S. government more than any govrenment in the world, I even worked for the
govrernment for a little while, now i'm here and may latter work for the government again. Sure, i'm sure the government will do a few things here and there, like the watergate scandal, but should be somewhat expected as being fallacy of human nature, but did you realize the government wasen't even able to cover up something as simple as watergate? little keep Bill Clinton monica fun job out of the public? and let me tell you something, the government isn't as special as you would like it to be. and if you do want to find some history of underground government secrets, it's actually not to damn hard, all you have to do is go to a college library and dig up government books and read, take some college classes in history of political science, you find and learn interesting this about what the government has done in the past, but going through this trouble is somehting that mindless hippie dropout conspiracy theorist are too lazy to do and are topics too not entertaining for them.

I bet most of you who claim 9/11 was an inside job, without searching the internet can't even name 5 of the 9 Supreme Court judges. and I bet they can't even name 3 cases decided by the Supreme Court little explain what happened in those cases. You guys don't even realize how much Supreme Court decisions impact the lifes of every single person in the United States, even more impact had 9/11 even been a real government inside job, yet non of these Conspiracy Theorists don't question yet even care about whats going on in the Supreme Court.

Many love to question the moon landing, you guys don't realize that the most expensive part of going into space is launching the spacecraft from earth to space and the rest is a hell lot cheaper in comparison. Tell me why the hell the US government would go through that trouble of spending billions and billions launching the spacecraft from earth to space 7 different times (though 1 of those didn't make it to the moon, Apollo 13), but wouldn't bother going that extra mile spending that little more money to get to the moon? It just doesn't make sense. And don't even go there questioning whether the spacecraft even launched into spece, this can't be questiond when you have the whole U.S. nation, the world, and media as witnessess and thousands and thousands watching with their own eyes on each of the 7 spacecraft launches.

And let me tell you something about 9/11, the conspiracy nuts love to claim that building 7 was a perfect example of the goverment imposion when nothing much else caused it to collapse, but let me ask, if that were true, then why the hell would the U.S. government demolish building 7 for no reason at all? It just doesn't make sense in their part. Shit, I can go on forever, I don't know if you noticed but this 9/11 is brought up all over the internet in every single fourm and just as and popular as coke vs pepsi or atheism vs god threads and many people are getting sick and tired of arguing this every single time forum after forum thread after thread same old bullshit.

I can't believe people believe this stuff, take a look at the demographics of these people, many are young, and many don't have college degrees. Did you know there are people who think that the Titanic didn't since because of an iceburg but it was the result of an attack by the a submarine? and many people still also believe the attack of pearl harbor is a also a Conspiracy?! I mean seriously, get real!

You guys should watch Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Conspiracy Theories...

Part 1 (9/11) - YouTube - Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Conspiracy Theories (1/3)
Part 2 (moon landing)- YouTube - Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Conspiracy Theories (2/3)
Part 3 (JFK Assassination)-YouTube - Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Conspiracy Theories (3/3)

and this (Titanic Conspiracy) YouTube - Unfastened Coins: Titanic Conspiracy