Hardware Hangout

Ryutso · 11-04-2009, 10:54 PM

So my girlfriend's really interested in 3D modeling and Video production. But her current computer is a crappy little dell with a Pentium 3 CPU, 512MB of RAM and a 70GB HDD.

Looking for parts to make a computer that can render 3D models at moderate speed. I probably need a good graphics card, a fast CPU and a good amount of RAM.

Budget: Let's say $300-500, cheaper is better.

1stStrike · 11-04-2009, 11:08 PM

3d modeling as in autocad?

Ryutso · 11-04-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1stStrike

3d modeling as in autocad?

As in 3DS Max, Rhino, SolidWorks. Then again, 3DS and Rhino are made by AutoDesk so you could say she'd be doing AutoCAD.

1stStrike · 11-04-2009, 11:13 PM

She definitely needs a video card then. Its going to be hard to get a laptop with a video card with your budget.

Your best bet would be dell's outlet or ebay

Searching dell's outlet, i came across this. Its the cheapest thing with a vidcard and core2duo

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$479.00
Inspiron 1420

Espresso Brown

Intel Core 2 Duo - 2000

Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium

14.1

120 GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)

2000

DVD/RW

128MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS

They also have a vostro 1510 with similar specs and price
Not the best, but i doubt you'll find better

Jason · 11-04-2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stStrike

3d modeling as in autocad?

Probably something like Daz, if I recall autocad doesn't take much does it?

XmasDummy · 11-04-2009, 11:22 PM

i think you should focus on ram as primary! but its not a problem these days...

Ryutso · 11-04-2009, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stStrike

She definitely needs a video card then. Its going to be hard to get a laptop with a video card with your budget.

Your best bet would be dell's outlet or ebay

Searching dell's outlet, i came across this. Its the cheapest thing with a vidcard and core2duo

They also have a vostro 1510 with similar specs and price
Not the best, but i doubt you'll find better

Where did I say I wanted a laptop?

I'm building her a new Desktop.

thizsukz · 11-04-2009, 11:27 PM

wow 300-500? good luck
I guess pro GPU is out of the question, the I would get crapload of ram 8GB and very fast HDD, or put bunch of SATA HDD into RAID0 (very fast) and the get a card with at least 512MB preferably 1 gig, most of the pc`s nowadays can run it, but when it comes to rendering you can go take a shower before its done lol

1stStrike · 11-04-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryutso

Where did I say I wanted a laptop?

I'm building her a new Desktop.

Where did you say you wanted a desktop?

Jason · 11-04-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thizsukz

wow 300-500? good luck
I guess pro GPU is out of the question, the I would get crapload of ram 8GB and very fast HDD, or put bunch of SATA HDD into RAID0 (very fast) and the get a card with at least 512MB preferably 1 gig, most of the pc`s nowadays can run it, but when it comes to rendering you can go take a shower before its done lol

You can build a decent pc for $500. $300 is pushing it...

Ryutso · 11-04-2009, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

You can build a decent pc for $500. $300 is pushing it...

So I figured.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stStrike

Where did you say you wanted a desktop?

Quote:

So my girlfriend's really interested in 3D modeling and Video production. But her current computer is a crappy little dell with a Pentium 3 CPU, 512MB of RAM and a 70GB HDD.

Looking for parts to make a computer that can render 3D models at moderate speed. I probably need a good graphics card, a fast CPU and a good amount of RAM.

Budget: Let's say $300-500, cheaper is better.

There. In red.

So since you're the computer guy 1stStrike, you got a list of parts?

steamwhistle · 11-05-2009, 12:23 AM

A dual core should be able to run all of that. I had a shitty old Dell from 1998 that I ran Solidworks and Catia on last year. The only think I had updated on that was a graphics card. I would keep an eye out on newegg for deals or maybe look at their prebuilt ones. They had a nice quad core last week for much cheaper than I built my current computer for. Think it was about $400 not including a monitor or case. I will take a look and report back later.

Edit: Do you want to build your own or save some time with a pre-built computer? Here are two computers that should do the job. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883103222 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883103218

I can make you a parts list tomorrow if that doesn't do the job.

Ryutso · 11-05-2009, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

A dual core should be able to run all of that. I had a shitty old Dell from 1998 that I ran Solidworks and Catia on last year. The only think I had updated on that was a graphics card. I would keep an eye out on newegg for deals or maybe look at their prebuilt ones. They had a nice quad core last week for much cheaper than I built my current computer for. Think it was about $400 not including a monitor or case. I will take a look and report back later.

Edit: Do you want to build your own or save some time with a pre-built computer? Here are two computers that should do the job. Newegg.com - Acer Aspire AX1700-U3793A Core 2 Duo E7300(2.66GHz) 4GB DDR2 750GB NVIDIA GeForce G100 Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit - Desktop PCs Newegg.com - Acer Aspire AM5800-U5801A Core 2 Quad Q8300(2.50GHz) 6GB DDR3 640GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit - Desktop PCs

I can make you a parts list tomorrow if that doesn't do the job.

Eh I dislike pre-built ones ever since I found out that I could build a better computer for $400 than I could buy a pre-built for $600.

A parts list would be nice. I know CPU power, RAM, and Hard drive space are a must, but I'm stupid when it comes to Video Cards. I don't know which one is the best, which one is moderately good or which one sucks.

reconinvader · 11-05-2009, 07:00 AM

If your looking for cheap prices, go here

Geeks.com - Computer parts, Laptop computers, Desktop computers, Computer hardware

I think they have really nice prices, and they have alot of nice CPUS, Hard Drive's, RAM, and many others.

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steamwhistle · 11-05-2009, 10:33 AM

A Rosewell 700W power supply will go on sale this afternoon for $63 on Newegg. I don't know if you get the newsletter but its in the shell shocker one.

As for the graphics card, a 9800gtx+ is more than enough. I can't remember what was in that crappy Dell, but I know that when I bought the video card three years before it wasn't top of the line to begin with. I was studying mechanical engineering for a few years, thats why I have an idea about 3-D rendering software.

Eronus · 11-05-2009, 08:58 PM

The best I could do would be way over your budget, especially for modeling and rendering. Here are some suggestions though.

Vid Card: Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

CPU: Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops

Mobo: Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Motherboards

Memory, This is the most important part I believe because rendering is very memory intensive and as of recent, prices for memory sticks have gone up a good amount so here's just a single set of 4gb(2x2gb) memory which is good, but I would personally prefer 6gb's for rendering 3d models.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory

Hope this helps.

Ryutso · 11-05-2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

A Rosewell 700W power supply will go on sale this afternoon for $63 on Newegg. I don't know if you get the newsletter but its in the shell shocker one.

As for the graphics card, a 9800gtx+ is more than enough. I can't remember what was in that crappy Dell, but I know that when I bought the video card three years before it wasn't top of the line to begin with. I was studying mechanical engineering for a few years, thats why I have an idea about 3-D rendering software.

eVGA 9800 GTX+? You mean this?: Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

And I missed that power supply.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eronus

The best I could do would be way over your budget, especially for modeling and rendering. Here are some suggestions though.

Vid Card: Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

CPU: Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops

Mobo: Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Motherboards

Memory, This is the most important part I believe because rendering is very memory intensive and as of recent, prices for memory sticks have gone up a good amount so here's just a single set of 4gb(2x2gb) memory which is good, but I would personally prefer 6gb's for rendering 3d models.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory

Hope this helps.

While the Vid card is more expensive, and probably functions better for her purpose, if the 9800GTX+ works for what she wants done, I'm more than likely going to get her the 9800GTX+. Also, I'm an Intel Fag. So I'm more than likely going to go for a Quad Core or the low end i7 CPU. And then I'll just build the computer around that.

Slingshot377 · 11-05-2009, 09:56 PM

Me and OG both run the 9800GTX+ and we both love it! =D

steamwhistle · 11-05-2009, 10:01 PM

I can post the parts list for the current computer I am using, but its more than you want to spend. My computer handles 3-D rendering like a dream.

Ryutso · 11-05-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

I can post the parts list for the current computer I am using, but its more than you want to spend. My computer handles 3-D rendering like a dream.

Go ahead and post them up. I may base my specs off yours and go cheaper. Or I may come into some money soon and be able to buy similar parts.

switch998 · 11-05-2009, 10:08 PM

Hmm, tigerdirect has had a decent HP Elitebook for $600 before, wait for that. I can't recall the specs but it had a dual core proc. and Nvidia Quadro NVS graphics card with 512 dedi. RAM

Other than that, when you get some extra $$ buy her one of these they're a lot cheaper on ebay.

If she'll be doing any graphics works, she'll also need a display that can reproduce colors accurately.
Check here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...LCD%20Monitors
I have a HP LP2275W, it's a great monitor imo

steamwhistle · 11-05-2009, 10:16 PM

Newegg.com - APEVIA X-Plorer ATXB8KLW-GN Black/Green Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards
Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
Newegg.com - OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops
Newegg.com - CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Desktop Memory
Newegg.com - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Newegg.com - Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1 (ACM) - LCD Monitors
Newegg.com - LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners

Ryutso · 11-05-2009, 10:22 PM

Okay, just answer me this guys.

What actually speeds up the rendering process? More RAM, better GFX card or powerful CPU?

steamwhistle · 11-05-2009, 10:29 PM

A combo of things. If your graphics card can't keep up with the programs its going to eat up more ram. You need to have all three of those (ram gfx card and cpu) up to the requirements or its going to put more stress on one of the other components.

Eronus · 11-06-2009, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryutso

Okay, just answer me this guys.

What actually speeds up the rendering process? More RAM, better GFX card or powerful CPU?

Quote:

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

A combo of things. If your graphics card can't keep up with the programs its going to eat up more ram. You need to have all three of those (ram gfx card and cpu) up to the requirements or its going to put more stress on one of the other components.

What she said.

On another note I like the processor she has, but I don't care too much for the Mobo she has (Please don't feel offended, I'm not bashing you at all) I don't like that it's capped at 4gb memory, it leaves little room for upgrade capability. Thinking of 3-D rendering in the future the programs can become more intensive, and could require more resources from a computer.

Steam <3

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steamwhistle Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 609 Reputation: 79 *cBay Rating:*	A dual core should be able to run all of that. I had a shitty old Dell from 1998 that I ran Solidworks and Catia on last year. The only think I had updated on that was a graphics card. I would keep an eye out on newegg for deals or maybe look at their prebuilt ones. They had a nice quad core last week for much cheaper than I built my current computer for. Think it was about $400 not including a monitor or case. I will take a look and report back later. Edit: Do you want to build your own or save some time with a pre-built computer? Here are two computers that should do the job. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883103222 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883103218 I can make you a parts list tomorrow if that doesn't do the job. __________________ Reportcard- Get paid for reviewing sites you already use Swagbucks- Search and win points, redeem those for gift cards Last edited by steamwhistle; 11-05-2009 at 12:31 AM..

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steamwhistle Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 609 Reputation: 79 *cBay Rating:*	A Rosewell 700W power supply will go on sale this afternoon for $63 on Newegg. I don't know if you get the newsletter but its in the shell shocker one. As for the graphics card, a 9800gtx+ is more than enough. I can't remember what was in that crappy Dell, but I know that when I bought the video card three years before it wasn't top of the line to begin with. I was studying mechanical engineering for a few years, thats why I have an idea about 3-D rendering software. __________________ Reportcard- Get paid for reviewing sites you already use Swagbucks- Search and win points, redeem those for gift cards

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thizsukz Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 20 Reputation: 2 *cBay Rating:*	wow 300-500? good luck I guess pro GPU is out of the question, the I would get crapload of ram 8GB and very fast HDD, or put bunch of SATA HDD into RAID0 (very fast) and the get a card with at least 512MB preferably 1 gig, most of the pc`s nowadays can run it, but when it comes to rendering you can go take a shower before its done lol

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Eronus Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11 Reputation: 2 *cBay Rating:*	The best I could do would be way over your budget, especially for modeling and rendering. Here are some suggestions though. Vid Card: Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards CPU: Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops Mobo: Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Motherboards Memory, This is the most important part I believe because rendering is very memory intensive and as of recent, prices for memory sticks have gone up a good amount so here's just a single set of 4gb(2x2gb) memory which is good, but I would personally prefer 6gb's for rendering 3d models. Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory Hope this helps.

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switch998 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 140 Reputation: 7 *cBay Rating:*	Hmm, tigerdirect has had a decent HP Elitebook for $600 before, wait for that. I can't recall the specs but it had a dual core proc. and Nvidia Quadro NVS graphics card with 512 dedi. RAM Other than that, when you get some extra $$ buy her one of these they're a lot cheaper on ebay. If she'll be doing any graphics works, she'll also need a display that can reproduce colors accurately. Check here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...LCD%20Monitors I have a HP LP2275W, it's a great monitor imo __________________ Lockerz Invites - INSTANT!!! Last edited by switch998; 11-05-2009 at 10:20 PM..

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steamwhistle Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 609 Reputation: 79 *cBay Rating:*	Newegg.com - APEVIA X-Plorer ATXB8KLW-GN Black/Green Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards Newegg.com - OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops Newegg.com - CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Desktop Memory Newegg.com - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Newegg.com - Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2000:1 (ACM) - LCD Monitors Newegg.com - LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners __________________ Reportcard- Get paid for reviewing sites you already use Swagbucks- Search and win points, redeem those for gift cards

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steamwhistle Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 609 Reputation: 79 *cBay Rating:*	A combo of things. If your graphics card can't keep up with the programs its going to eat up more ram. You need to have all three of those (ram gfx card and cpu) up to the requirements or its going to put more stress on one of the other components. __________________ Reportcard- Get paid for reviewing sites you already use Swagbucks- Search and win points, redeem those for gift cards

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