[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by Crinklypaper

What OS are you using?

For the base: Windows XP 64bit
For the VMs: Win 2K

[mjhasbach]

Alright, I didn't take the time to read everyone else's posts, but based on your Newegg wishlist, here is some advice from a seasoned system builder:

5-Egg 500GB Hard Drive for $10 more
Newegg.com - SAMSUNG HD502HI 500GB 5400 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives

I bought this case for one of my builds and love it. $10 More. Has fans out the ying-yang, LEDs, fan speed controllers, e-sata, etc.
Newegg.com - XCLIO Godspeed Two Advanced Fully Black Finish 0.5 mm SECC / ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases

Also, if you plan on gaming, that video card card isn't gonna cut it. But you said mainly for Gomez, so...

Make sure you buy a decent CPU heatsync/fan. The Intel stock fan isn't going to cut it if you're beating the processor up with Gomez all day. The temps are gonna go out the roof and shorten the life of your processor with a stock fan. It's cheaper to buy a fan up front than to replace a processor.

...Why is RAM going up in price? I got my 2x2GB for $40. The EXACT same model is now $70. I can show the receipt as proof.

[XmasDummy]

lol you dont need a cd/dvd drive lol

[paddroo]

honestly to bot gomez your gonna need more than 4gb ram. Processor is good for botting though. Try and get get 8gb ram or if you want to mass bot get 12gb.

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by mjhasbach

Alright, I didn't take the time to read everyone else's posts, but based on your Newegg wishlist, here is some advice from a seasoned system builder:

5-Egg 500GB Hard Drive for $10 more
Newegg.com - SAMSUNG HD502HI 500GB 5400 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives

I bought this case for one of my builds and love it. $10 More. Has fans out the ying-yang, LEDs, fan speed controllers, e-sata, etc.
Newegg.com - XCLIO Godspeed Two Advanced Fully Black Finish 0.5 mm SECC / ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases

Also, if you plan on gaming, that video card card isn't gonna cut it. But you said mainly for Gomez, so...

Make sure you buy a decent CPU heatsync/fan. The Intel stock fan isn't going to cut it if you're beating the processor up with Gomez all day. The temps are gonna go out the roof and shorten the life of your processor with a stock fan. It's cheaper to buy a fan up front than to replace a processor.

...Why is RAM going up in price? I got my 2x2GB for $40. The EXACT same model is now $70. I can show the receipt as proof.

The case looks nice and ventilated, but the hard drive isn't what interests me. It just has to hold an OS, and 4 VMs. So a 60-100GB HDD would do.

I'm "pretty sure" that the Quad Core comes with a heatsink, but don't quote me on that.

Originally Posted by XmasDummy

lol you dont need a cd/dvd drive lol

How else am I gonna install Windows?

Originally Posted by paddroo

honestly to bot gomez your gonna need more than 4gb ram. Processor is good for botting though. Try and get get 8gb ram or if you want to mass bot get 12gb.

I know this. I plan to build up in stages. Start with 4GB, bot as many gomez accounts as I can, wait to get paid, buy more RAM, rinse, repeat.

It's a process that I intend to go through to maximize my profits.

Long? Of course. But profitable in the end if I can get an i7 system (expensive though it may be) up and running, and get a bunch of Gomez accounts up.

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by Ryutso

The case looks nice and ventilated, but the hard drive isn't what interests me. It just has to hold an OS, and 4 VMs. So a 60-100GB HDD would do.

I'm "pretty sure" that the Quad Core comes with a heatsink, but don't quote me on that.



How else am I gonna install Windows?



I know this. I plan to build up in stages. Start with 4GB, bot as many gomez accounts as I can, wait to get paid, buy more RAM, rinse, repeat.

It's a process that I intend to go through to maximize my profits.

Long? Of course. But profitable in the end if I can get an i7 system (expensive though it may be) up and running, and get a bunch of Gomez accounts up.

Yes, the quad core comes with a heatsync/fan but it's not sufficient. If your botting 4 VMs, ur CPU usage is going to be 100% constant, with the stock fans ur temps are gonna get 75C+ which is not good for the life of the processor.

Also, the performance of the similar priced i7s and Quads are about the same.

I know you have been taking to me about x64, but if you're only getting 4gb to start I would stick with x86 until you get more RAM.

Also, if you decide to stick with that case, I would recommend getting something a but more powerful than 300 Watts. The graphics card you mentioned has a 250 Watt MINIMUM Wattage requirement. Between the CPU, GPU, PSU, HDD, RAM, DVD drive and all of the other components of your computer requiring power, your system is going to be choked for power. I would recommend a 500 Watt. Newegg also has a Wattage requirement calculator.

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by mjhasbach

Yes, the quad core comes with a heatsync/fan but it's not sufficient. If your botting 4 VMs, ur CPU usage is going to be 100% constant, with the stock fans ur temps are gonna get 75C+ which is not good for the life of the processor.

Also, the performance of the similar priced i7s and Quads are about the same.

I know you have been taking to me about x64, but if you're only getting 4gb to start I would stick with x86 until you get more RAM.

Also, if you decide to stick with that case, I would recommend getting something a but more powerful than 300 Watts. The graphics card you mentioned has a 250 Watt MINIMUM Wattage requirement. Between the CPU, GPU, PSU, HDD, RAM, DVD drive and all of the other components of your computer requiring power, your system is going to be choked for power. I would recommend a 500 Watt. Newegg also has a Wattage requirement calculator.

So I should get a couple fans then? I'm thinkin about adding your case that you recommended me to my wishlist instead of the Antec.

Oh right cause x86 can only use up to 4GB. Well that's perfect, I just got an x86 re-install disc.

That sucks about the power supply. 500W UPS are bloody expensive and my area get's a lot of power flickers. So it's annoying having to check after every power flicker.

[mjhasbach]

I got a Rosewill 600W power suppy off newegg for $50 you just have to look around.

If you get the case I recommend you will have enough case fans, but you really need to get a CPU fan to replace the stock one that comes with the quad.

And x86 operating systems actually limit the RAM to a little under 4GB, but its still more resource efficient than running x64 if your gonna be exploiting Gomez.

[steamwhistle]

I call bullshit on the heatsync not being sufficient. I have that same quadcore and game with it without any issue. Keep in mind I had it running when my house was 90 degrees in my house this summer (no ac). It never got above 98 degrees F. That computer is just fine for what you want to use it for as long as you don't plan on over clocking it.

You can install windows via a USB drive (2.0), though it will be much easier to use a cd/dvd drive.

When I bought my pc from Newegg I spent $800 for a gaming comp (with a 9800gtx). There is no need for you to spend any more than you already are.

300W power supply is just fine if all you are doing is botting, running your cd/dvd drive and running your hard drive. If you ever wanted to convert your computer for any other use you absolutely need to upgrade to at lease a 500W.

Hope this helps. All my experience comes from the building of my personal computer and my boyfriend who has built and repaired many computers over the last 9 years.

Edit: I would also like to add (though you probably know) it is vital to vacuum/wipe down your computer weekly to make sure your fans are clean and aren't being bogged down by dust. If you don't want to worry about it then you might want to buy a better heatsync. With good maintenance of your computer you should have no issues with over heating.

[1stStrike]

Have you considered amd?

The new sub $100 amd quad came out and reviews show that its just as good as the q6600.

Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!


On a side note, my pc uses 11gb when im running all my vmware machines

[steamwhistle]

An AMD quad doesn't compare to an Intel. Intels outlast the lifetime of an AMD.

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by mjhasbach

I got a Rosewill 600W power suppy off newegg for $50 you just have to look around.

If you get the case I recommend you will have enough case fans, but you really need to get a CPU fan to replace the stock one that comes with the quad.

And x86 operating systems actually limit the RAM to a little under 4GB, but its still more resource efficient than running x64 if your gonna be exploiting Gomez.

It's not the Power SUPPLY that I'm worried about getting expensive. It's the UPS, or Uninterruptible Power Supply, amount that worries me. I live in a very unstable power area and with all the storms and crap we flicker very often. I kinda want to stay on a low Wattage so I can lower the cost of the UPS I'm going to need to get to keep this botting computer on all the time.

So a 250-350W PSU would work fine for me, cause 350W UPS' are cheap.

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

You can install windows via a USB drive (2.0), though it will be much easier to use a cd/dvd drive.

Oh right, I forgot about that. I may just nix the drive altogether then.

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

I call bullshit on the heatsync not being sufficient. I have that same quadcore and game with it without any issue. Keep in mind I had it running when my house was 90 degrees in my house this summer (no ac). It never got above 98 degrees F. That computer is just fine for what you want to use it for as long as you don't plan on over clocking it.

You can install windows via a USB drive (2.0), though it will be much easier to use a cd/dvd drive.

When I bought my pc from Newegg I spent $800 for a gaming comp (with a 9800gtx). There is no need for you to spend any more than you already are.

300W power supply is just fine if all you are doing is botting, running your cd/dvd drive and running your hard drive. If you ever wanted to convert your computer for any other use you absolutely need to upgrade to at lease a 500W.

Hope this helps. All my experience comes from the building of my personal computer and my boyfriend who has built and repaired many computers over the last 9 years.

The stock heatsync is adequate for gaming, but what ryutso is talking about is exploiting gomez heavily. This is going to cause his CPU usage to be at 100% for an extended amount of time. On a quad with stock heatsync, it only takes about 30 seconds of 100% CPU usage for temps to reach 75C+.

steamwhistle, google a program called Prime95, download the quad core version, and run it. This is a torture test software that will cause sustained 100% CPU usage. Monitor your CPU temperature AND THEN call bullshit on me.

I wouldnt listen to (her?) advice about the 300W PSU either...

[OG Maverick]

If the computer is solely for botting gomez, you'd be better off not using VMs as they will just take CPU usage that could be used on running more instances. You use VMs if you want to bot on 3 of your 4 cores so you can still get by doing stuff you want to do on your last core and bit of unused ram, which in this case can be used for botting.

Your heatsink's fan will be fine for this. Don't OC it though or you will need additional cooling/aftermarket heatsink if you are going to be running it hard all of the time. I am assuming you will use the case posted in this thread that have the fans on the side though, I didn't take a look at your original one you wanted.

If it starts running real hot, then get another heatsink,,,but don't waste the money if you might not need it anyway.

ALSO, you know you will need your modem and router/switch(if you use one) on the UPS as well to keep botting when power is off, right?

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by OG Maverick

If the computer is solely for botting gomez, you'd be better off not using VMs as they will just take CPU usage that could be used on running more instances. You use VMs if you want to bot on 3 of your 4 cores so you can still get by doing stuff you want to do on your last core and bit of unused ram, which in this case can be used for botting.

Your heatsink's fan will be fine for this. Don't OC it though or you will need additional cooling/aftermarket heatsink if you are going to be running it hard all of the time.

Apparently you haven't read my thread about VMs+Gomez. How many instances can you run without VMs? If it isn't ~100 then you're wrong about VMs.

A virtual machine by itself running nothing but the operating system uses very little resources. Especially on a decent computer like Ryutso is building.

The stock heatsync WILL NOT be fine for a GOMEZ ONLY computer thats going to be at 100% CPU usage most of the time. EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME RUN PRIME 95 QUAD CORE EDITION AND WATCH YOUR TEMPS.

[1stStrike]

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

An AMD quad doesn't compare to an Intel. Intels outlast the lifetime of an AMD.

Thats BS. These are the new quads that are based on the phenom II. They are equivalent to intels qxxxx series with a cheaper price point.

You'll also have more upgrade room with the AM2+/AM3 socket. Intel's s775 socket is pretty much dead at this point making you "lifetime" statement moot.

Also, get a "quality" power supply. It sounds like you'll be running this machine 24/7. And just because a psu is rated at 500w doesnt mean its going to pull 500w out of the socket. The pc will just use what it needs

[Crinklypaper]

I don't see where all the AMD hate is coming from my phenom II black ed works great and was a fraction of the cost. I guess more money = better

[OG Maverick]

Originally Posted by mjhasbach

Apparently you haven't read my thread about VMs+Gomez. How many instances can you run without VMs? If it isn't ~100 then you're wrong about VMs.

A virtual machine by itself running nothing but the operating system uses very little resources. Especially on a decent computer like Ryutso is building.

The stock heatsync WILL NOT be fine for a GOMEZ ONLY computer thats going to be at 100% CPU usage most of the time. EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME RUN PRIME 95 QUAD CORE EDITION AND WATCH YOUR TEMPS.

He will be limited by his RAM before his CPU anyway, it's not like he's going to be at 100% all of the time.

It's a simple concept. VMware + the machines it is running will take up CPU power that could be going elsewhere. It may not be much, but it IS something that could be used. VMWare is great for botting though, if you plan on still using the computer while botting.

I just installed the stuff onto my host and ran it at 101 instances and could still use the computer fine and even submit this post with other applications running and no netlimiter.

[1stStrike]

here's something that i did really quick. It came out being cheaper and includes the ups.

sorry about the image, still cant figure out how to do wishlists

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by OG Maverick

He will be limited by his RAM before his CPU anyway, it's not like he's going to be at 100% all of the time.

It's a simple concept. VMware + the machines it is running will take up CPU power that could be going elsewhere. It may not be much, but it IS something that could be used. VMWare is great for botting though, if you plan on still using the computer while botting.

I just installed the stuff onto my host and ran it at 101 instances and could still use the computer fine and even submit this post with other applications running and no netlimiter.

Gomez is a super CPU hog. Even with 25 instances on my host the CPU usage can get to 100% easy. With VMs, I run 50 instances (2 VMs) and my CPU usage due to Gomez never goes above 50.

101 instances at 17% CPU usage...wow. Either I'm doing something wrong, or...

How long have you let them run? After a couple of hours on my PC that would = 100% CPU for me. I have a Q6600@3.0GHz and 8GB RAM. Windows 7 x64.

I have found VMs to be profit maximizing for Gomez as well as resource efficient.

[OG Maverick]

I have a Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (not overclocking till I receive my heatsink)
8GB DDR 2 @ 1100 MHz
Vista x64

My CPU usage goes up while Gomezreload is running, but drops real nice once it is done. I have 135 instances going now and it's at ~25%.

I normally use VMs on this machine, but will run it like this overnight, seems to be doing better and a lot less lag with even more instances running.

[campbell292]

The power supply that came with my case powered my computer for over two years, must've got lucky
But if you can't find another motherboard i'm pretty sure you can get a pretty cheap graphics card for under $40.

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by OG Maverick

I have a Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (not overclocking till I receive my heatsink)
8GB DDR 2 @ 1100 MHz
Vista x64

My CPU usage goes up while Gomezreload is running, but drops real nice once it is done. I have 135 instances going now and it's at ~25%.

I normally use VMs on this machine, but will run it like this overnight, seems to be doing better and a lot less lag with even more instances running.

This probably has to with with how much Gomez uses my computer. My online/processing time Ratio is 1/5. With 50 instances, that means Gomez is literally using my computer all the time. 10 instances every minute to be exact.

I just looked at your picture and realized that your online/processing time ratio is pretty bad 1/21. That's why you are able to have more peers running at the same time. If your ratio was better, 25 instances would probably bottleneck your CPU like mine.

[steamwhistle]

Well I guess I am full of bullshit. Disregard any further posting from my account because my input is worthless. Sorry for putting in real world experience.

[mjhasbach]

Originally Posted by steamwhistle

Well I guess I am full of bullshit. Disregard any further posting from my account because my input is worthless. Sorry for putting in real world experience.

I didn't mean to offend, steamwhistle.

Your 'real world experience' pertains to gaming. This is not Ryutso's intention. I was giving him advise based on what he wants to do with the computer.