[high6]

Well the fact that you are refusing a refund will probably turn into less people buying from you.

[b4n3]

Originally Posted by high6

Well the fact that you are refusing a refund will probably turn into less people buying from you.

I refund when it is appropriate. Like I started earlier, I refunded Dopex because I sold him the codes the day they were invalid (before realising). He had no time to use them so I refunded him. If ppl think less of me because I'm not a pushover and stand up for what i believe is right.. then so be it.
I've had tons of no-problem transactions here, this is just a ridiculous situation.

[7usabball]

Originally Posted by high6

Well the fact that you are refusing a refund will probably turn into less people buying from you.

u got to remember, the codes were botted, its like clublive, ppl sell clublive accounts, and if i dont recieve my prize when i tried with qan account i bought... well, my fault, i shuldnt have bought it, i knew what he did to the clublive account

but the only problem i see is that the codes wuld have been gone even if they were done manually on the site... if u entered 2 codes on a rhapsody account, THEN BAM, its all gone...

[wjr0025]

yea ooobong, you are just not in the right in this situation. It really sucks that this happened to you, but all of your argument is nothing that deserves to give you your money. The fact of the matter is that the codes worked when you got them. Your argument that other stores let you return stuff is just dumb. They have a RETURN POLICY, and this situation clearly didn't. Then you state that he told you the codes expires 10/31. That's what everyone thought, and was posted here that it was then when they expired. So that they expired is clearly not his fault. You paid him for codes that worked at the time, he didn't sell you invalid codes. You have right to be pissed but bn43 has done absolutely wrong.

This would be the same concept as buying a CL account, then not receiving the prize and asking for the money back. Get over it, stop bitching, and anyone who understands business knows bn43 is doing the correct thing. Unless there was a clear refund policy stated in pm's, it's considered as is. They were functional when you bought them, and it's officially your responsibility. There's nothing really more to say, i'd want my money back too but i'd realize I didn't deserve it back.

[YoNoid]

well i dont know whos side to take on this. i guess i see it this way...

i looked on ebay for rhapsody codes when the bot was up and working and codes worked... i remember seeing a name like "ooobongooo " selling rhapsody codes and making sweet profit. I know that probably all of the promotional codes that came with this stopped working and probably lots of accounts stopped working, even those who were ebayers buying codes. Did anyone complain to you ooobongooo and say that their accounts stopped working after you sold them their codes? Did you give all your ebay auction winners refunds?

I guess bottom line of what Im saying is, I think you made some decent money off this Bong, im sure it didnt take you broke from the codes you bought from b4n3. Plus, cant really ask for a refund for codes that didnt work unless you gave every single person who you sold codes to a refund, because theres a great chance all those accounts dont work anymore, am i right?

All you were doing was buying to resell... i dunno.. im going with b4n3 on this one.

[Gibson]

Originally Posted by wjr0025

yea ooobong, you are just not in the right in this situation. It really sucks that this happened to you, but all of your argument is nothing that deserves to give you your money. The fact of the matter is that the codes worked when you got them. Your argument that other stores let you return stuff is just dumb. They have a RETURN POLICY, and this situation clearly didn't. Then you state that he told you the codes expires 10/31. That's what everyone thought, and was posted here that it was then when they expired. So that they expired is clearly not his fault. You paid him for codes that worked at the time, he didn't sell you invalid codes. You have right to be pissed but bn43 has done absolutely wrong.

This would be the same concept as buying a CL account, then not receiving the prize and asking for the money back. Get over it, stop bitching, and anyone who understands business knows bn43 is doing the correct thing. Unless there was a clear refund policy stated in pm's, it's considered as is. They were functional when you bought them, and it's officially your responsibility. There's nothing really more to say, i'd want my money back too but i'd realize I didn't deserve it back.

+4 Reps for that (literally)

[cjk]

Personally I am siding with b4n3. ooobongooo, it was the risk you took when you bought the codes. It was clear they were botted at the time, so it is your fault. This post explains it clearly:

Originally Posted by wjr0025

yea ooobong, you are just not in the right in this situation. It really sucks that this happened to you, but all of your argument is nothing that deserves to give you your money. The fact of the matter is that the codes worked when you got them. Your argument that other stores let you return stuff is just dumb. They have a RETURN POLICY, and this situation clearly didn't. Then you state that he told you the codes expires 10/31. That's what everyone thought, and was posted here that it was then when they expired. So that they expired is clearly not his fault. You paid him for codes that worked at the time, he didn't sell you invalid codes. You have right to be pissed but bn43 has done absolutely wrong.

This would be the same concept as buying a CL account, then not receiving the prize and asking for the money back. Get over it, stop bitching, and anyone who understands business knows bn43 is doing the correct thing. Unless there was a clear refund policy stated in pm's, it's considered as is. They were functional when you bought them, and it's officially your responsibility. There's nothing really more to say, i'd want my money back too but i'd realize I didn't deserve it back.

[danimal]

It's 35 dollars, big deal.
I used to sell things for literally hundreds of dollars that would work for 2-3 days, both sides knowing it would work for a limited amount of time.
Any exploits/codes will expire after a certain point in time.
Don't expect them to last a long time.

Every time you buy something expiretable(?) you should use them ASAP and not lollygag. It's your fault you took so long to use them.
Not B4N3's. Your fault they expired before you got to use them, not his.

[formula]

Give him his fucking cash back. You gave someone else a refund, do it to him too. Stop being an ass.

Let me tell you one thing, is it a risk to take if I buy a $200 product and it breaks? Woopty-fucking-doo, it broke, thats like saying "you took the risk to buying the $200 product, your problem now" that's horrible customer service and satisfaction. A good person would deal it this way "you broke the item, of course not on purpose, and prehaps the device broke because of a design fault, we will refund you"

That's like saying Chewy risked buying a new server and getting the server crashed again.

$35 is alot of money. You guys are kiddies, you can get $35. But when you have a real job making a real opportunity for yourself, you love and earn EVVERY penny of the things you get and work hard for.

People getting paid $8 an hour that can't find a decent-well paying job get paid $64 a day.
Take $35 out of their pocket, thats $29 in total.

Thats probably enough to feed a family for a day.

Very uncool of you guys.

It doesn't matter to you, but what if you were in HIS shoes. Stop thinking on your side and think of someone else for a minute then talk.

[b4n3]

Originally Posted by formula

Give him his fucking cash back. You gave someone else a refund, do it to him too. Stop being an ass.

I explained why I did that for Dopex and not him, read the thread.

Originally Posted by formula

Let me tell you one thing, is it a risk to take if I buy a $200 product and it breaks? Woopty-fucking-doo, it broke, thats like saying "you took the risk to buying the $200 product, your problem now" that's horrible customer service and satisfaction. A good person would deal it this way "you broke the item, of course not on purpose, and prehaps the device broke because of a design fault, we will refund you"

That's like saying Chewy risked buying a new server and getting the server crashed again.

We're talking about a completely different situation. It wasnt bought from a major retailer and is not a tangible product. Theres more risk in buying promotional codes than buying electronics or servers because they are backed up by return policies. Codes and electronics are a bad comparison. You should reread the thread because this has already been covered.

[rocking1230]

Why would you by them in the first place
dumbass you dont deserve your money back

Ever here of limewire???
Bittorent???

[wjr0025]

formula did you even read what I said? i'm clearly in his shoes, i work for a living and barely afford anything, hence why i do this stuff for extra money. he took a risk. This isn't Walmart, there isn't a return policy. That's just common sense, come on now. Maybe it's not the "right" decision in your opinion, but it's correct decision and in no way is scamming, cheating, or anything in between. Use your head and think rationally please, it'll make you not appear like an idiot.

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by rocking1230

Why would you by them in the first place
dumbass you dont deserve your money back

Ever here of limewire???
Bittorent???

Because you can resell the codes in an account and make some money back?

Duh.

[itami]

This reminds me of when pepsi started invalidating codes but it isn't the exact same situation. I gave people extra codes when they reported a couple didn't work just because I sold them working codes and I knew some codes have been invalidated. Now if the codes ended up being invalidated at a much later point or gotten the account banned I wouldn't have refunded the money.

B4n3 shouldn't have to return the money, it's well known that rhapsody started invalidating the codes after ooobongooo had bought them. What he did with them was none of b4n3's concern. There were no set refund guidelines either like the way a store handles things "30 day return policy" or something along those lines. IMO, ooobongooo caught a bit of bad luck with this.

[Ryutso]

Originally Posted by itami

This reminds me of when pepsi started invalidating codes but it isn't the exact same situation. I gave people extra codes when they reported a couple didn't work just because I sold them working codes and I knew some codes have been invalidated. Now if the codes ended up being invalidated at a much later point or gotten the account banned I wouldn't have refunded the money.

B4n3 shouldn't have to return the money, it's well known that rhapsody started invalidating the codes after ooobongooo had bought them. What he did with them was none of b4n3's concern. There were no set refund guidelines either like the way a store handles things "30 day return policy" or something along those lines. IMO, ooobongooo caught a bit of bad luck with this.

Then close/delete thread?

[ooobongooo]

Originally Posted by YahTrickYah

well i dont know whos side to take on this. i guess i see it this way...

i looked on ebay for rhapsody codes when the bot was up and working and codes worked... i remember seeing a name like "ooobongooo " selling rhapsody codes and making sweet profit. I know that probably all of the promotional codes that came with this stopped working and probably lots of accounts stopped working, even those who were ebayers buying codes. Did anyone complain to you ooobongooo and say that their accounts stopped working after you sold them their codes? Did you give all your ebay auction winners refunds?

I guess bottom line of what Im saying is, I think you made some decent money off this Bong, im sure it didnt take you broke from the codes you bought from b4n3. Plus, cant really ask for a refund for codes that didnt work unless you gave every single person who you sold codes to a refund, because theres a great chance all those accounts dont work anymore, am i right?

All you were doing was buying to resell... i dunno.. im going with b4n3 on this one.

I did refund people on ebay who said their codes didnt work or had issues. Some people who bought some codes from me with codes I botted myself did not have a problem because of the time they bought them, they had enough time to download the music. A few people who bought from me who did complain about the codes not working or their account getting banned I did refund them.

He did refund dopex because dopex bought on the same day the codes went bad, like I said before I bought the codes late night on the 20th think it was around 9pm, and I wake up at 6 am to get ready for work and by the time I got home from work I had discovered the codes had not worked. I did wait a little longer to see if maybe there was some problem with the site before contacting b4n3 about a refund, but when I did he would not refund me. I really don't see the problem between me and dopex, i pretty much bought them the same day and I almost bought more from him too. I could of been out $70 or whatever.

Im really just asking him to do the right thing. I didnt want to be an asshole about it, but thats the only route I had to go because being nice will only get you so far. The only thing I really have left to do is file a chargeback. I tried to be nice about it, I know if b4n3 was in my shoes he would want his money back. I know it, considering he didn't have the money to give me or whatever, he would definately be seeking his money back, seeing he would need the money.

I do proper business with people and the people that have a problem with something, I do what I can to fix it. I believe in good business. b4n3 basically just threw me under the tracks and told me to go fuck myself. Maybe he needs to learn proper business ethics.

What comes around goes around. Remember that. You fucked me this time b4n3, but one day someone is gonna do it to you and you will be like man I am so fucking pissed this guy took my money. Then you will understand how I feel now.

[b4n3]

Yeah you keep saying I somehow said "go fuck yourself" when I never once used that phrase or anything close to it. You're just being overly dramatic about this. You should have just understood your losses and moved on. Smart businesses wouldn't refund people for reasons like this. You didn't buy the codes on the same day as Dopex, you seem to be making the time less and less on each post. Ive been fucked over in the past on here but I cut my losses and moved on. Going out of your way to insult and harrass me isn't gonna bring you good karma either.

[ooobongooo]

Originally Posted by b4n3

Yeah you keep saying I somehow said "go fuck yourself" when I never once used that phrase or anything close to it. You're just being overly dramatic about this. You should have just understood your losses and moved on. Smart businesses wouldn't refund people for reasons like this. You didn't buy the codes on the same day as Dopex, you seem to be making the time less and less on each post. Ive been fucked over in the past on here but I cut my losses and moved on. Going out of your way to insult and harrass me isn't gonna bring you good karma either.

I didnt mean it as you said go fuck yourself, I mean basically you not giving me a refund is like telling me to go fuck myself. The fucking codes were not valid less then 24 hours from when I paid. Didnt you see the link to my post. I posted the next day at a 11pm that the codes were no longer working, but I had known about it for several hours before hand.

Anyone have b4n3 address? Please PM me it so I can file a complaint against him at Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

[b4n3]

Originally Posted by ooobongooo

I didnt mean it as you said go fuck yourself, I mean basically you not giving me a refund is like telling me to go fuck myself. The fucking codes were not valid less then 24 hours from when I paid. Didnt you see the link to my post. I posted the next day at a 11pm that the codes were no longer working, but I had known about it for several hours before hand.

Anyone have b4n3 address? Please PM me it so I can file a complaint against him at Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

Bottom line is, it wasn't the same day and you had time to use them. I didn't sell you invalid codes thus I didn't scam you. This is the same crap.. over and over again.

[Rockstar Mentality]

Originally Posted by ooobongooo

I didnt mean it as you said go fuck yourself, I mean basically you not giving me a refund is like telling me to go fuck myself. The fucking codes were not valid less then 24 hours from when I paid. Didnt you see the link to my post. I posted the next day at a 11pm that the codes were no longer working, but I had known about it for several hours before hand.

Anyone have b4n3 address? Please PM me it so I can file a complaint against him at Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

The codes were set to expire that day, you should have known that. He sold them to you on the fact that they expire at that time not "if they expire and i dont have the time to use them can i have my money back?".

[ooobongooo]

Originally Posted by b4n3

Bottom line is, it wasn't the same day and you had time to use them. I didn't sell you invalid codes thus I didn't scam you. This is the same crap.. over and over again.

I know same shit over and over, but I just want my money that you should rightfully refund me back. You could of sold dopex the codes 20 minutes before they deactivated the codes, he still had fucking time to use them. I don't know what time of day he bought them, but still, its not like I waited 2 weeks to ask you for a refund. I asked you the day after the deactivated the codes as I was waiting to see if something was with their site. Maybe if I would of asked you the same day they went down it would of been a different story. But still I feel ripped off by you either way.

I really just wanted you to see my point, I know there isnt no return policy or whatever, but if I would of been an unsuspecting customer on ebay, bought the codes from you and then they didnt work, I would of filed a paypal claim, I would of left you negative feedback, and I would of filed a chargeback if you did not refund me with paypal.

Im just trying to make you see my points, you are a bad business person, and should not be selling to people with your ethic. Its just wrong.

Also you should admit, if you were in my shoes you would be asking me for a refund.

[Fenrir]

b4n3 Did nothing wrong, if you file a dispute, you will just get rejected. It sucks, but if you can't move on, then you should have never taken the risk in the first place.

[danimal]

Originally Posted by ooobongooo

I know same shit over and over, but I just want my money that you should rightfully refund me back. You could of sold dopex the codes 20 minutes before they deactivated the codes, he still had fucking time to use them. I don't know what time of day he bought them, but still, its not like I waited 2 weeks to ask you for a refund. I asked you the day after the deactivated the codes as I was waiting to see if something was with their site. Maybe if I would of asked you the same day they went down it would of been a different story. But still I feel ripped off by you either way.

I really just wanted you to see my point, I know there isnt no return policy or whatever, but if I would of been an unsuspecting customer on ebay, bought the codes from you and then they didnt work, I would of filed a paypal claim, I would of left you negative feedback, and I would of filed a chargeback if you did not refund me with paypal.

Im just trying to make you see my points, you are a bad business person, and should not be selling to people with your ethic. Its just wrong.

wc3 doesn't do shit.
Reporting him, calling him names, insulting him isn't going to get your money back, nice try.

[ooobongooo]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

b4n3 Did nothing wrong, if you file a dispute, you will just get rejected. It sucks, but if you can't move on, then you should have never taken the risk in the first place.

I did file a dispute, but the only way you can file a non ebay SNAD dispute is saying item not received or paypal will instantly kill any more chances of you making a claim. The only thing I can do now is report him to Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home and file a chargeback with my CC.

[cjk]

ooobongooo, you just keep saying the same thing over and over. When he sold you the codes, they were valid. It's your fault if you didn't use them.

b4n3, you do not owe him anything, and you are not a scammer. ooobongooo next time, think about what you are buying before you buy it.

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