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iforget · 05-07-2008, 10:55 PM

I know they read all posts here, so here's just a short question type letter:

What's wrong with botting?
I believe that you get income from advertisements. When people bot, no ads get clicked, so no money is recovered from the loss of having to send out a prize? I assume that's it, but is it anything else? If a bot does the exact same thing a normal human would do on BT, then I don't see a problem with it.
Using a program that exploits the site or performs tasks that humans are not capable of doing, yes, that's wrong. But if I go to CN daily and post, then write a program to copy my actions while I'm out of town, so what?
I've never botted BT. I have legitimate business enterprises that can make me far more than a $50 Target Gift Card, so why bother? But a lot of people care about it. Why not reach an agreement with botters? You can bot at a reasonable pace with one account, as long as you go on manually and check out any interesting adverts.
I hope you enjoyed reading this.

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*Some sort of employee ID or something would be great for a little bit of proof

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ImMoRtaL · 05-07-2008, 11:01 PM

Stickied.

iforget · 05-07-2008, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImMoRtaL

Stickied.

Wow, thank you.

Email address added.

Dan · 05-07-2008, 11:14 PM

sent to bt

iforget · 05-07-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the101dan

sent to bt

Perfect, 2 very helpful posts ^^

I appreciate it, guys!

Others may still send it - don't spam, but anybody can alert them once.

Dan · 05-07-2008, 11:20 PM

you can thank me by repping me(ill rep you back) and by getting your old and cool avatar back.

casper89 · 05-07-2008, 11:25 PM

Asking for rep = no good

Botters are for prizes, They don't enjoy the community.

I bot too, But just saying.

bigfatturd · 05-07-2008, 11:30 PM

This is about the community they are making, they could run bots on their site and get the views and not have to pay out. Of course they don't want people running bots, they dont add anything to the website and are not using it for the intended use of the site.

iforget · 05-10-2008, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfatturd

This is about the community they are making, they could run bots on their site and get the views and not have to pay out. Of course they don't want people running bots, they dont add anything to the website and are not using it for the intended use of the site.

Didn't realize they cared about community - it's not FaceBook. And how many people would continue using the site if they removed the prize catalog right now?

No emails from BT.

Guo0 · 05-10-2008, 11:59 AM

Wow, this is just no. Botting gives people an unfair advantage. Just like in MMORPGs that will banz j00 azz if you use them.

sc4fpse · 05-10-2008, 02:01 PM

This thread makes me want to

*FACEPALM*

*fail*

**Slashmolder** · 05-10-2008, 02:36 PM

Just my 2 cents.
Botting is cheating, we are even called cheating network. I believe it is ok for them to ban us as it is not humans doing it it is automated. This does in a sense take away from the humans who go legitly and have to spend their time while we put no effort whatsoever into getting our prizes.

rec(9) · 05-12-2008, 11:11 PM

You sure that botters dont put in more effort? they have to make their bots and that takes a long time (if its a good one) and requires alot of knowledge :001_rolleyes:
but also alot of ppl dont make the bots they use they use other peoples.

casper89 · 05-12-2008, 11:53 PM

They don't give a shit about how much effort you put in it as long as it's a bot.

**Slashmolder** · 05-13-2008, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rec(9)

You sure that botters dont put in more effort? they have to make their bots and that takes a long time (if its a good one) and requires alot of knowledge :001_rolleyes:
but also alot of ppl dont make the bots they use they use other peoples.

Ok, I put hours into my bots, but how much time do most people like you put into the bots? You guy's just use them. Also, Casper hit it on the nail.

iforget · 05-14-2008, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guo0

Wow, this is just no. Botting gives people an unfair advantage. Just like in MMORPGs that will banz j00 azz if you use them.

I'm talking about a program that performs a human's actions, not outperforms.

Day 1:
I rate 100 jokes on BT in 1 hour
Day 2:
I make a program to rate 100 jokes on BT in 1 hour

What's the big deal?

RuneScape-
UNFAIR:
Day 1:
I mine gold for 6 hours
Day 2:
I run a bot for the entire day that mines gold, something I would not be able to humanly do without rest

QUESTIONABLE:
Day 1:
I mine gold for 6 hours
Day 2:
I run a bot that mines gold for 6 hours

If a program does the EXACT SAME thing that I would be doing anyway, why does it matter?

As weird as it seems, I'm not trying to justify botting, but I want to know what BT thinks about this.

robad2 · 05-14-2008, 05:13 AM

Well it seems to me that BT is running a business just like any other business. The less they send out in prizes, the more net profit the business makes. And the OP kinda answered his own question; People using bots are not spending that time personally on the site clicking advertisements and generating revenue. All their money comes from advertisements, so people who play legit are actually paying for the gift with their time using the site. BT is designed to make a profit from legitimate users with advertisements, even after you subtract the cost of the prizes. The site looses twice with bots (first they don't get the revenue from advertisements and second they are sending the botter a free prize).

Oh, and if you make a bot that rates videos, it's not a real rating is it. It's not an actual opinion of what a real person thinks of the video. Why would BT want to allow a bot that skews the results of their video rating system?

Guo0 · 05-14-2008, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iforget

I'm talking about a program that performs a human's actions, not outperforms.

Day 1:
I rate 100 jokes on BT in 1 hour
Day 2:
I make a program to rate 100 jokes on BT in 1 hour

What's the big deal?

RuneScape-
UNFAIR:
Day 1:
I mine gold for 6 hours
Day 2:
I run a bot for the entire day that mines gold, something I would not be able to humanly do without rest

QUESTIONABLE:
Day 1:
I mine gold for 6 hours
Day 2:
I run a bot that mines gold for 6 hours

If a program does the EXACT SAME thing that I would be doing anyway, why does it matter?

As weird as it seems, I'm not trying to justify botting, but I want to know what BT thinks about this.

because you are NOT the one that is doing all the work. WORK.

What is work?
Something that requires energy to do. I'm not talking about power. Energy. Force. Physics.

Chewy · 05-14-2008, 06:14 AM

Well this is going anywhere and deserves no purpose other than a flamewar at this point...

-LOCKED-

05-07-2008, 10:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
iforget Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 374 Reputation: 11	Open Letter to BT Staff I know they read all posts here, so here's just a short question type letter: What's wrong with botting? I believe that you get income from advertisements. When people bot, no ads get clicked, so no money is recovered from the loss of having to send out a prize? I assume that's it, but is it anything else? If a bot does the exact same thing a normal human would do on BT, then I don't see a problem with it. Using a program that exploits the site or performs tasks that humans are not capable of doing, yes, that's wrong. But if I go to CN daily and post, then write a program to copy my actions while I'm out of town, so what? I've never botted BT. I have legitimate business enterprises that can make me far more than a $50 Target Gift Card, so why bother? But a lot of people care about it. Why not reach an agreement with botters? You can bot at a reasonable pace with one account, as long as you go on manually and check out any interesting adverts. I hope you enjoyed reading this. Any member of BT staff can hop on a proxy, make an account, and reply. Normal people can reply, too! Some sort of employee ID or something would be great for a little bit of proof ALTERNATIVE TO POSTING:* BT Staff may email me at justforyoubtstaff@gmail.com with the subject: BT Staff - Response to Open Letter CN MEMBERS: Feel free to send the thread link to customer support. __________________ CN's official anti-cheater Last edited by iforget; 05-07-2008 at 11:09 PM..

05-07-2008, 11:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
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05-07-2008, 11:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
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05-07-2008, 11:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dan CN's Best Member :P Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wasilla, Alaska Posts: 1,428 Reputation: 65	you can thank me by repping me(ill rep you back) and by getting your old and cool avatar back. __________________ http://www.prizerebel.com/index.php?r=57959

05-10-2008, 11:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Guo0 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 670 Reputation: 18	Wow, this is just no. Botting gives people an unfair advantage. Just like in MMORPGs that will banz j00 azz if you use them. __________________

05-07-2008, 11:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
casper89 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,244 Reputation: 29	Asking for rep = no good Botters are for prizes, They don't enjoy the community. I bot too, But just saying.

05-07-2008, 11:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigfatturd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 103 Reputation: -24	This is about the community they are making, they could run bots on their site and get the views and not have to pay out. Of course they don't want people running bots, they dont add anything to the website and are not using it for the intended use of the site.

05-10-2008, 02:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
sc4fpse I said "NOT FUCKING SCAF" Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somewhere in Michigan. Posts: 1,636 Reputation: 72	This thread makes me want to FACEPALM fail __________________ high6: I'm gonna go let my beast out.

05-12-2008, 11:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
rec(9) Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 33 Reputation: -1	You sure that botters dont put in more effort? they have to make their bots and that takes a long time (if its a good one) and requires alot of knowledge :001_rolleyes: but also alot of ppl dont make the bots they use they use other peoples.

05-12-2008, 11:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
casper89 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,244 Reputation: 29	They don't give a shit about how much effort you put in it as long as it's a bot.

05-14-2008, 05:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
robad2 Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 97 Reputation: 0	Well it seems to me that BT is running a business just like any other business. The less they send out in prizes, the more net profit the business makes. And the OP kinda answered his own question; People using bots are not spending that time personally on the site clicking advertisements and generating revenue. All their money comes from advertisements, so people who play legit are actually paying for the gift with their time using the site. BT is designed to make a profit from legitimate users with advertisements, even after you subtract the cost of the prizes. The site looses twice with bots (first they don't get the revenue from advertisements and second they are sending the botter a free prize). Oh, and if you make a bot that rates videos, it's not a real rating is it. It's not an actual opinion of what a real person thinks of the video. Why would BT want to allow a bot that skews the results of their video rating system? __________________

05-14-2008, 06:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
Chewy CN Owner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The deep end of CN Posts: 2,512 Reputation: 61	Well this is going anywhere and deserves no purpose other than a flamewar at this point... -LOCKED- __________________ Want to donate to Cheating Network? Click here to do so, or just click the button below!

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